Truly care for him. He later revealed exactly why he was “snubbed”: For the annals of history: I didn’t “leave.” I was non-renewed against my wishes. I’m blocking the 3 Gordon’s because they will not drop it regarding me and the SSPX. (2:04 PM), I don’t think they’re formally schismatic, but it’s a case by case determination that is impossible to make unless you speak to the individual Kook yelling “novus ordo is invalid!” (2:14 PM), Just tried calling you. Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. People accused me of not reaching out, which I have been for months, Did you see how many folks idiotically assumed that I haven’t been reaching out as a brother in Jan/Feb/March? I was being snubbed. Steve Skojec opined on 4-14-20 (5:10 PM): “Our coalition is dwindling, . (5:07 PM), I’m not convinced SSPX is in schismatic! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. 2 or 3 of them. I don’t think you get it. I can get over combat fast, cuz I’ve done a lot of literal and figurative fighting[.]. NOT TOO LATE! Timothy replied in that discussion thread: It’s not a matter of opinion. (12:36 PM), Dave and I disagree about *how close* VC2 comes to embracing ecumenism/modernism. Dave’s position and mine, while distinguishable, are in close enough orbit to give faithful, non-contumacious, full-communion Catholics a nice spectrum to examine and choose from. (3:04 PM), Nobody wants the Catholic infighting, Taylor. For their good and mine and all of us, I’m officially ending this nasty Twitter feud. There’s an unimagined gap between FSSP and SSPX[.] To all those who believed that I was criticizing his/his family’s reception of the Eucharist from the SSPX rather than the implicit invitation for the less-educated faithful to frequent SSPX liturgy, note this was not my intention. Can we talk about that? They aren’t the only ones of course. Currently, he resides in … TnT joins ROP! But now and then, a high-profile reactionary actually becomes more “diabolically self-consistent” (though further from the truth) and ventures over the line. Such was my purpose for my rejoinder. Acta non verba. Let’s take this offline and chat by phone later, yes? Spotify Users: For listening to The Taylor Marshall Show on Spotify, search in Spotify for “Taylor Marshall.” Our you can listen/watch to the Taylor Marshall Show via Youtube : If you like this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes. He was acting as a good father. RoP [. I used to believe this nonsense as well. The good part is that it’s NEVER too late to make up[.] Vatican II is a valid ecumenical council, yet it is trashed all the time and regarded as fundamentally less authoritative than Vatican I and (especially) Trent: even though Pope Benedict XVI (the bitterly disappointing former darling: because he resigned), writing in 1985, made it clear that Vatican II and Trent have precisely the same authority. Something happened to men in the last 50 years. (Also, secretly blocking someone as you tweet someone that you’re available is insane.) Timothy Gordon replied on 4-13-20, at 8:36 PM and 8:54 PM: Agreed. Let’s have robust discussion about the status of the SSPX (whom I still hold to be in objective schism) going forward, but in a spirit of Christian fraternity and unity. Reaching out to a brother in Christ is ALWAYS good advice. Only one offering mass, confession and benediction for over a month.”], For my part, I didn’t even see the SSPX debate your post caused until late afternoon. I’ve been reaching out for months; just defending myself against slander, no pattern except that I wish them both well—they’re both Catholics with whom I mostly agree Trent [Horn]: a smart dude I barely know & only spoke with thrice; Taylor: a smart dude I know WELL—spoke to him daily for over a year, until he abruptly/mostly stopped replying to texts/calls. Timothy J. Gordon studied philosophy in Pontifical graduate universities in Europe (Gregoriana and Angelicum), taught it at Southern Californian community colleges, and then went on to law school.Currently, he resides in central California with his wife and four daughters, where he writes and teaches philosophy and theology. Take it up with them. I was being snubbed. It had become clear we didn’t agree about Taylor’s evolving position on the SSPX, but I wished to continue: we were still bringing souls to the Church together, which matters most to me[.] I think you’re [Steve Skojec] closer to my position than Taylor’s since both of us won’t attend SSPX (for ineffable reasons, even) and yet he will… (5:20 PM), In the interest Christian unity, I’d like to emphasize that I do NOT believe that @TaylorRMarshall erred by receiving the Eucharist from the SSPX on Easter; regular parishes are widely shuttered and there was no other possibility of receiving the Holy Eucharist. He holds degrees in literature, history, philosophy, and law. Without them we would be without the Sacraments. The point of departure was NOT receiving Communion—which is licit all things considered—but the apology for not just “inaccurate” statements about SSPX (which is great!) Now it’s happening to the one who was his partner. But it’s certainly here now. For those who don't know, they are both in the traditionalist Catholic blogosphere (in an extremely brief summary, traditionalist Catholics are very conservative and prefer Catholic rituals done as they were before the Second Vatican Council). (3:43 PM), I never claimed I texted Taylor yesterday. The original story was that he was apparently leaving to focus on his own podcast series or something like it and that it was a relatively amicable departure. These guys are great. As Faramir says of war: sin makes corpses of us all. (4-14-20, 5:01 PM), I’m fine. What’s obtuse is a hermeneutic of intentionalism instead of a hermeneutic of textualism[.] . But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. It’s kind of disappointing to see two allies argue like this. (4-14-20, 4:59 PM). (7:45 PM), Petty, self-serving, vindictive, egomaniacal acts like releasing sensitive private 411 about my household during Abby’s surgery. In 2016, Knowles was invited to … All else is minutiae[.] Everyone KNOWS what the modernists we’re trying to do. Wish ALL of them into the Kingdom of Heaven, I’m not a grudge holder. Just ask them, JP2 indeed spread a false ecumenism but wasn’t trying to kill the TLM entirely. I called him yesterday. Don’t act as if fringe groups and their leaders aren’t the mob w/ gang bosses on Cath twitter. He won’t call back. Not gonna tweet anymore on this[. . A bunch of the mob on here defend your position, but say they choose FSSP over SSPX every time, THIS is the real issue. I guess Taylor Marshall ain’t Braveheart. Are These The Faces Of Masculine Manly He Men That Rad Trad Influencers Like Ann Barnhadt, Taylor Marshall, Timothy Gordon, Michael Voris & Christine Niles Always Swoon Over... Top L-R: Chicago tech CEO Brad Rukstales, Richard Barnett, 60, … The SSPX equaling formal schism stuff is wrong, as far as I know. Bottom line: Timothy Gordon is clearly trying to reach out to Taylor and stop the disunity; Taylor Marshall wants no part of it. per month. He never said. Dr Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon interview Patrick Coffin on the Pontificate of Pope Francis and discuss how they each came to swallow the red pill that Pope Francis was not merely unclear but … I’m arguing that they failed by not clearly articulating their modernism, The issue is that the texts are to be presumed faithful unless specifically heretical, even if their drafters used weaponized ambiguity. Gotta be two-sided though. In this video, Pope Francis Accused of 7 Counts of Heresy by 19 Scholars, Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon discuss the Open Letter accusing Pope Francis of heresy. Only dad does. It had become clear we didn’t agree about Taylor’s evolving position on the SSPX, but I wished to continue: we were still bringing souls to the Church together, which matters most to me, : I’m happy to chat, do a show, slap high fives and come together about the (majority) stuff we agree on OR do a civil show about the (minority) stuff we disagree on. ], I’m not a grudge holder. One has the right to defend one’s reputation[.]. Church and ministry leadership resources to better equip, train and provide ideas for today's church and ministry leaders, like you. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the hierarchy of the Catholic … The history of the tradition of fasting is fascinating, but my husband and I were really inspired by what these gentlemen are doing. But the debate should be: a) not avoided and b) CIVIL, Nobody wants the Catholic infighting, Taylor. Will do whatever I can. It needs to stop. I just don’t want this dragging out in public. but for all “negative” comments about them. Cuz the Church won’t clarify. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxoUW3Tn01Y. We read the Vatican docs for their original public meaning—that which was ratified by a vote—not their presumptive intent—which isn’t certainly ascertainable. I don't know what happened first, but since then, what little I have listened to from Dr. Marshall, Voris, and Gordon since then has not mentioned each other by name at all, telling me that things might not be so amicable. All of us, me included. Another wrong SSPX talking point. Mind your business Steve. Irrelevant. What’s obtuse is a hermeneutic of intentionalism instead of a hermeneutic of textualism, That’s what we are saying: we KNOW the intent was bad. For context, here is one of the podcasts they did a while ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxoUW3Tn01Y. (4-14-20, 8:58 AM). Just gotta retry each day for unity. If anyone can enlighten me, that would be appreciated. Timothy had tweeted earlier in the day on April 13th, at 4:34 PM and 5:33 PM: Regarding @TaylorRMarshall: I’m happy to chat, do a show, slap high fives and come together about the (majority) stuff we agree on OR do a civil show about the (minority) stuff we disagree on. I think (all reactionary issues aside for the moment) Timothy Gordon shows himself to be acting as a Christian should (in terms of seeking to reconcile); Taylor Marshall is not acting in such a fashion. But you’re not understanding that conciliar documents need to be interpreted under the construction most optimally faithful to Tradition, wherever possible. Only dad does. . Let’s appeal to civility Ironic to have to say, because we produced 100+ really good shows on difficult topics over the course of 15 mos. Again, it’s HERE. Moreover, since we are not in full communion with SSPX, receiving the Eucharist with them is a performed falsehood. Do not imitate him. But overtime I just stopped listening. I feel like he and Timothy Gordon just strike each other’s egos a little too much (though I don’t think it’s intentional). Meaning inheres in text, not intention. Calling FSSP “bootlicking” (as many who were supporting your tweet were doing) IS fragging. Thanks to Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon for the chance to talk about my journey of wincing through this current papacy. (with Timothy Gordon) by The Counsel of Trent published on 2019-10-25T20:58:14Z In this episode Trent Horn and Timothy Gordon discuss his new book “No Christian Feminism” and whether feminism is incompatible with the Christian faith. (10:21 AM), Honestly: All I care about is the truth. This happened on Easter Sunday when Taylor Marshall received the sacraments from the SSPX: the breakaway group which is in imperfect communion with the Catholic Church. . I went through a Taylor Marshall phase. It’s destructive and wrong. Fr. Honesty check time[.] Indeed I read last night, on one of Taylor Marshall’s latest tweets, that he has blocked Timothy Gordon and also his wife as well I think. [2:41 PM), Disagreeing respectfully is the OPPOSITE of fragging. Addendum: Further Timothy Gordon (and David Gordon) tweets: I’ll do it anytime. I’m saying that “formal adherence” to schismatic acts is a grave peril of attending the SSPX. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon knock it outta da park HERE. Who determines where that is? per month. Can’t be sensitive or grudge-holding over some of these memes. (2:20 AM), My homeboy @SteveSkojec (accidentally) mischaracterized my position, which is actually “schismatic attitude” in many/most attendees (but not all)[.] Show me where I called you a single name. They stopped being men and became guys, and now, in tragic numbers, feckless soy boys. I’ll speak to ANY of these guys I’ve ever crossed swords with. (3:18 PM), Completely unacceptable, Taylor. (9:58 PM), Someone close to Taylor, tell him to return my call. (12:11 AM), The attempts to throw Dave under the bus are silly. He’s got a good heart and we’ve both had a hard year. (8:33 PM), Never too late when people care for each other in true Christian charity (which I do for Taylor). Quasi-schism is starting to fade . Look at what the Church says on the matter: [link] (4-12-20, 9:43 PM), Debating an issue is fragging? Just ask them[.] Justice demands that I set the record straight. Join. And most of these people think you’re scum just for going to the Novus Ordo. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon Dave’s position and mine, while distinguishable, are in close enough orbit to give faithful, non-contumacious, full-communion Catholics a nice spectrum to examine and choose from. Select a membership level. Just defending myself with the truth. My brand CANT be damaged by defending the ONE HOLY CHURCH against outsiders who claim my Sunday obligation isn’t fulfilled if I attend novus. It covers the first twelve or so minutes of the podcast, which largely surrounds a discussion of Pope Leo XIII and the vision he had that led to his composing the prayer to St. … (9:16 PM), To all those who believed that I was criticizing his/his family’s reception of the Eucharist from the SSPX rather than the implicit invitation for the less-educated faithful to frequent SSPX liturgy, note this was not my intention. It needs to stop. Distinctions matter[.] Shots fired by Retrograde Gordon Bros against Marshall. I said I’ve reached out several times in the New Year w/ scarcely a response. 2 or 3 of them. Neutral and objective. (9:16 PM), My sole issue with his Easter tweet was that he retracted his previous due criticisms of the SSPX, which I worried would nudge many of the faithful to attend SSPX liturgy, which would endanger the less-educated in the Faith, since they will more readily succumb to the rebellious mindset of the Society towards VC II and towards the Novus Ordo, a mindset that is condemned by the Church. The answer always insinuates “formal adherence” to schism. Please disown that, For my part, I didn’t even see the SSPX debate your post caused until late afternoon. The Biblical Basis of Apologetics (Defense of Christianity). Ego kills. (9:16 PM), Let’s have robust discussion about the status of the SSPX (whom I still hold to be in objective schism) going forward, but in a spirit of Christian fraternity and unity. The basic trouble with going far right on the ecclesiastical spectrum: radical right; radical Catholic reactionary, is how far right does one go? (If recent history is a guide, I won’t get a reply. Send Cancel Cancel Mind your business Steve [Skojec]. or save 16% if you pay annually. He didn’t. Escucha y descarga los episodios de Right on Point Podcast gratis. It’s intolerable, It’s a boring, inconsequential, fruitless debate. It’s not the first time. They are[.] (4-14-20, 4:56 PM), I don’t think you get it. We read the Vatican docs for their original public meaning—that which was ratified by a vote—not their presumptive intent—which isn’t certainly ascertainable[.] It’s not a matter of opinion. FOR THE RECORD: HE ENDED TNT. 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For those who don't know, they are both in the traditionalist Catholic blogosphere (in an extremely brief summary, traditionalist Catholics are very conservative and prefer Catholic rituals done as they were … Dr Taylor Marshall. (8:33 PM), He made it sound like he called back, Steve. (2:00 PM), Yes there’s a new theology that needs to be rejected. Wherever it leads. . (4-14-20, 4:34 PM), I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. I am living my life and have no time for their judgments over my soul and my family. He’s been ignoring me nearly 100% since almost immediately after he said he wouldn’t do another year of TNT. There are certainly a few factors, as with all etiologies, but I speculate that his evolution regarding SSPX was probably one of them. I await your reply, Taylor… It’s sophistical to claim (ever) that it’s too late for civility. (4:22 PM), PS: this isn’t a big deal. I am grateful to the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, by whom our Marshall family received the Resurrected Body of Christ on this Easter Morn. Press J to jump to the feed. It’s not the first time. He sent a diplomatic text insinuating there wouldn’t be a call. I never claimed I texted Taylor yesterday. There’s always room to come@back together. Yes there’s a new theology that needs to be rejected. (4-14-20, 4:58 PM), It is fixable. That’s why you’ll always see me warning against SSPX even though it’s trending now and him riding the wave. This shouldn’t be engaged in public. I’ve been reaching out for months; just defending myself against slander[.] (1:53 PM), The world of text, hermeneutic, jurisprudence. Let’s take this offline, bro. I reached out to Tim this morning. Why all the handwringing about civility? He won’t call back. But the meaning of the Council inheres in the text[.] I await your reply, Taylor… It’s sophistical to claim (ever) that it’s too late for civility. Unfortunately, we have a number of chieftains, some with significant egos; and no William Wallace. I used to believe this nonsense as well. And JP2 was FAR more modernist than he acknowledges, but the point is that Dave’s tweet to Taylor was 100.0000% civil. Radical Catholic reactionaries love to habitually go up to the “line” but not quite go over it. Without them we would be without the Sacraments. Tremble, earth, and you who proclaim yourselves as serving Jesus Christ and who, on the inside, only adore yourselves, tremble, for God will hand you over to His enemy, because the holy places are in a state of corruption. He made it sound like he called back, Steve. Sorry, Taylor! (7:15 PM), My brand CANT be damaged by defending the ONE HOLY CHURCH against outsiders who claim my Sunday obligation isn’t fulfilled if I attend novus. PS: this isn’t a big deal. I announced the series here on the site recently.. Easter Sunday when Taylor Marshall received the sacraments from the SSPX: the breakaway group which is in imperfect communion with the Catholic Church. He used the huge analytics boost his channel got from TNT and then ditched me, presumably cuz I’m not Trad enuf for biz expsn. Petty, self-serving, vindictive, egomaniacal acts like releasing sensitive private 411 about my household. About Timothy Gordon Timothy Gordon holds degrees in philosophy, literature, history, and law. This is who they are now. Friendly reminder that all top level comments must: start with "answer:" (or "question:" if you have an on-topic follow up question to ask). It becomes like the infighting of pope-less Eastern Orthodoxy. ” Delighted to hear that! Tons of defamatory theories swirling about my motives and about the TnT breakup itself (which Marshall is conspicuously failing to correct). Taylor had highly recommended my work for years, thanked me in at least one of his books, and carried an ad for my books on his site for several years. I don’t think they’re formally schismatic, but it’s a case by case determination that is impossible to make unless you speak to the individual Kook yelling “novus ordo is invalid!”, Just tried calling you. In September of 2018, Marshall and Gordon made a podcast entitled Third Secret of Fatima & the Smoke of Satan in the Church.I was quite interested to see the direction in which they took the … Let’s take this offline, bro. All of us, me included. Here philosopher Timothy Gordon forcefully disagrees, arguing that while anti-Catholic bias kept them from admitting their reliance on Aristotle, Aquinas, and the early Jesuits, our Protestant and Enlightenment Founding Fathers secretly held Catholic views about politics and nature. ], Update: called Taylor a little bit ago to wish Happy Easter Monday and bury the petty squabbles. Clarify where correct; apologize where incorrect. I think it comes dangerously close. This post is the first entry to introduce my video series responding to Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon on Fátima. He’s been ignoring me nearly 100% since almost immediately after he said he wouldn’t do another year of TNT. That’s why. (10:25 AM), A) she’s calling names, not me B) my daughter has brain surgery in 90 mins and many of these people want to go to war with good guys like FSSP. But Trads have flatly misunderstood religious freedom in Dignitatis: read Leo XIII’s IMMORTALE DEI 36, which Trads reject Dave and I agree 100%about Dignitatis[.] Catholics are drama queens, People were accusing me of not reaching out to Taylor. (4:38 PM), People were accusing me of not reaching out to Taylor. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon sit down for long interview with Michael Knowles to talk Catholicism and Politics. And JP2 was FAR more modernist than he acknowledges, but the point is that Dave’s tweet to Taylor was 100.0000% civil[.] And that’s just what it is, guessing. I used to watch Dr. Taylor Marshall, a Catholic theologian and blogger, quite a bit and he used to do these podcasts with fellow Catholic theologian Timothy J. Gordon. Anyway, out of the blue, Tim departed from Dr. Marshall's channel. Distinctions matter, Dave and I disagree about *how close* VC2 comes to embracing ecumenism/modernism. (3:04 PM), I don’t believe (never have) as Dave does that formal schism is most likely. His cohort in over 100 videos, Timothy Gordon, publicly spoke out against this, and all hell has broken loose in reactionary ranks, and we have a civil war. I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. but for all “negative” comments about them. any way—public or private—to reconcile with TM is good. Tiempo: 48:37 Subido 28/03 a las 06:38:09 33794405 I wondered why I hadn’t seen Timothy’s face on the ubiquitous Taylor Marshall videos as of late . 25:31–46), then Barron would look the part of a fool. He’s got a good heart and we’ve both had a hard year. I wanted to continue, even w/ above: we were saving souls and that’s all I care about: (7:57 PM), That’s why you’ll always see me warning against SSPX even though it’s trending now and him riding the wave. Dwight Longenecker tweeted similarly: When Catholics set themselves up to judge and condemn popes and bishops its not long before they are judging and condemning one another. And it ain’t gonna be clan chieftains Chris Ferrara or Steve Skojec or John-Henry Westen or Michael Voris or Patrick Coffin (who all preside over their own echo-chambers) either. A subreddit to help you keep up to date with what's going on with reddit and other stuff. Taylor R Marshall. $5. Show The Counsel of Trent, Ep #224 – DIALOGUE: Can Christians be feminists? Hello Everyone! It’s destructive and wrong. Earlier still, on April 12th, Gordon tweeted: I’m not asserting with certainty that SSPX is in a formal schism. Timothy Gordon Studied philosophy in Pontifical graduate universities in Europe, taught it at Southern Californian community colleges, and then went on to law school. Timothy (words in green henceforth, and Taylor’s in blue) tweeted on April 13th ( at 8:06 PM and 8:13 PM): Just defending myself with the truth. And most of these people think you’re scum just for going to the Novus Ordo. Thank you! I reached out to Tim this morning. (1:49 PM), That’s heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. Such was my purpose for my rejoinder. R4R #14: Taylor Marshall on InfiltrationThe Retrogrades sit down with Taylor Marshall and discuss a wide variety of topics!TnT Tim's debates with Trent HornTaylor Marshall's book Infiltration: ht... – Listen to R4R #14: Taylor Marshall on Infiltration by Timothy Gordon Rules for Retrogrades Podcast instantly on your tablet, phone or browser - no downloads needed. (8:50 PM), You bet. It’s an important intellectual matter and it merits dispassionate debate. I certainly do not want to cause an uprising … No reply. I just don’t want this dragging out in public. You said “precisely” about a schismatic slur[.] Not gonna tweet anymore on this, Agreed. I used to watch Dr. Taylor Marshall, a Catholic theologian and blogger, quite a bit and he used to do these podcasts with fellow Catholic theologian Timothy J. Gordon. He’s worse than Mark Shea. Something happened to men in the last 50 years. See the pattern there? I don’t believe (never have) as Dave does that formal schism is most likely. Thus, when there are disagreements, how can two mini-popes with their little online fiefdoms resolve a difference? (3:43 PM), The point of departure was NOT receiving Communion—which is licit all things considered—but the apology for not just “inaccurate” statements about SSPX (which is great!) Moreover, since we are not in full communion with SSPX, receiving the Eucharist with them is a performed falsehood. This is the second video of my series responding to Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon.. (4-12-20, 9:34 PM). They’re conceptually different[.] Sorry Gordon’s, but this seems to be the only way. No particular deference is due to him (think “Protestant”). Truly care for him. (9:46 PM), No worries at all. Tolkien tier . Seriously, watch it tonight with your spouse. There’s always room to come@back together. In the course of the discussion, Marshall commits public heresy and schism. Timothy Gordon is creating Catholic books & commentary . I’m arguing that they failed by not clearly articulating their modernism[.] But at first disagreement (my critical review of his book, Infiltration) I was immediately banned from his Twitter page and have been the fodder for his (rather juvenile and petty) insults ever since. I can’t do UNITY alone. This shouldn’t be engaged in public. I’ll do it anytime. I would never frag ya[.] The SSPX is the only church in town that is not a total joke and does not desecrate the eucharist. (3:39 PM), Nonsense. It’s “intellectual.” Civil discussion is what’s needed and you won’t even respond to me, privately or publicly. Calling FSSP “bootlicking” (as many who were supporting your tweet were doing) IS fragging. That’s heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. For my part in some irreverent jesting in the wake of this spat, I’m sorry. But the debate should be: a) not avoided and b) CIVIL[.] That is pretty much it. Please review Rule 4 and this post before making a top level comment: I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. I used to watch Taylor Marshall constantly but every day now he has videos and podcasts coming out that seem to attempt to destroy Pope Francis. Not just VC2. Hence, we will see divisions and in-fighting amongst the reactionaries when one makes a move further right, because being a reactionary is all about being one’s own pope (the more so, the more influential and famous one becomes within the movement). Honesty check time, (accidentally) mischaracterized my position, which is actually “schismatic attitude” in many/most attendees (but not all). Acta non verba. But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. (3:17 PM), Imagine being me in this situation. What 's going on with reddit and other stuff dispassionate debate shots fired. 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