For instance, according to Enterprise, the Borg attacked Earth in the 24th century because Borg from the 24th century time traveled back to the 22nd century and sent a signal that took 200 years to reach the Delta Quadrant. We expect all contributions in the Daystrom Institute to be thoughtful and constructive. One million years ago, 0 used the Gua… Somehow, the combination of Guinan and Data hanging out with Mark Twain, Kirk falling in love with Edith Keeler, and Gary Seven Prime protecting the Earth from itself in the 1960's caused Khan Noonien Singh to turn out one way in the Prime universe and a totally different way in the alternate universe. Based on Starfleet's own rank system, you can select one of three divisions (Command, Operations, or Science) and earn pips as you move up in rank. Maybe without the Temporal Cold War and Sphere Builders mucking things up, they end up having the resources to build some pretty kickass spaceships with bridges that look like Apple Stores. [–]JViz 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children). A very thoughtful analysis and I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head. CBS LA - KCAL via Yahoo News [–]Meatloaf-of-Darkness 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children), Could be that the abrams universe never dealt with the Xindi, so when they were faced with the Romulan war, it really kicked Starfleet in it's collective asses to make Starfleet more of a "fleet.". If I go back and kill my own grandfather, my grandfather in my timeline is still alive, I've just forked off a new timeline where my grandfather won't exist, and neither will I, but I'm still from the timeline where I didn't kill my grandfather. Media. Thus, there are those that argue that the JJ-Trek universe split off from the Prime universe at some other point, well before Narada arrived. So as long as you have a way of explaining the conditions, you can make up whatever you want. Nice pic, and I liked the story to go with it. If you want to post a thread which is not a theory, analysis, or open-ended discussion prompt, you must contact the Senior Staff first to get permission. Star Trek The Original Series. To discuss the latest episode of Star Trek: Discovery, use the dedicated thread on the front page. There's still only one timeline, it's that there has been created a stable timelike loop between events one and two, where the same period is covered more than once. Also, that would mean there are a lot of Star Trek universes, not just two. what you describe is a paradox. 21:58. Can the Federation eventually get the Borg as a non-hostile member by simply sharing their always evolving technological bounty? Looking for more sci-fi discussion subreddits? Next 50 results. Worf's understanding of "honor" is colored by Western Earth values. 21:57. It's possible that in Time Squared if future Picard had not been killed but still prevented from leaving the ship that he would have happily carried on as a second Picard (assuming the galaxy didn't have a big crunch from the sheer mass of awesome that would accrue). Life avoided this place. [–]gsabramCrewman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). Likewise, the universe where I go back in time and become my own grandfather would never happen. It's technically not you, but since the universes are practically identical, does it really matter? In the original, Vulcan is there, and the various crews go on rip-roaring adventures together. They're not just people from the future mucking with the past, they're people in the past mucking with the future. Every instance of backwards time travel doesnt spawn a new universe. In 1930, she ran a soup kitchen out of the Twenty-First Street Mission. They are two separate coexisting realities that do not share the same space-time. But for the first time round, dayum the story was good good. But what if they go back and run into the other Kirk and Spock? In addition, several EU sources set in the ENT and TOS time frames mention that nut all Klingons fell prey to the Augment virus in the first place. If you are looking for a more general Trek forum, we recommend /r/startrek. Disagreement often fosters rich discussion, but only when it's done respectfully. [1 In fact, this was why Earth's first long-range starship was named Enterprise - it was a tribute from Zefram Cochrane to those people from a future that, ironically, his world wouldn't know anymore. No Sphere Builders, or maybe different Sphere Builders entirely. save hide report. Or could AngstySpock time travel through the past to the Prime Universe? Answer me this as Im not familiar with the episode; what made the 24th century Borg go back in time? [–]ademnusCommander 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (16 children). Furthermore, if we assume a true multiverse, then it is okay for cross-universe events to happen in some universes: You gotta remember that infinity means there will still be an infinite number of universes unaffected by those cross-universe events. Now, my personal theory, one developed after reading another thread here in the Institute, is this: During the events of Star Trek: First Contact, the Enterprise-E travels back in time and the crew reveals themselves and the presence of their ship to Zefram Cochrane and Lily Sloane. We have, many times, seen people exist in realities where they are not able to exist, but we've seen matter vanish from universes where it can't. And even had it not been, I feel confident that Q could have sent Enterprise-D wherever he wanted, even ask the way to the Delta Quadrant, to make his point to Picard. 21:59. The links for nominating and voting are in a banner at the top of the subreddit, along with the current Post of the Week and links to nominate and vote. Shallow content such as memes, gifs, image macros, links without context, and jokes are not permitted in this subreddit and will be removed. For all the events we know happen in the universe, the vast majority of them are pretty messy and disorderly. Rendered by PID 11958 on r2-app-033b3304ad245143b at 2020-12-18 18:30:36.782791+00:00 running 38155e9 country code: PL. In addition to the Code of Conduct, please heed the following when posting new threads in this subreddit. Why would the erasure of McCoy's crazy run prevent the Narada from going back? It does explain it quite well but it does take the steam out of the drama. If you assume that both universes have a common past, then you'd find Prime Kirk and Prime Spock in the 1930s by going back from the alternate universe. He beams down to an unexplored world where he enters a time-travel device known as the Guardian of Forever and changes history in the 1930s. On a large enough scale, the two timelines are one causal loop, iterating back and forth through time. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. And there's a clear-cut reason they would be: 1930 is before the two timelines diverged, and not afterwards. For instance, if BroKirk and AngstySpock go back to 1930 Earth, could they take Kirk Prime and Spock Prime to the Abrams Universe? Next 50 results. I assume everyone is familiar with the classic TOS episode "[The City on the Edge of Forever]( )". While the jump in technology that Earth got from this brief glimpse at the technology from hundreds of years and a universe away, we got Kelvin, Enterprise, and Vengeance as we saw them in the JJ Abrams movies. Nigh-conclusive proof that "The Burn" is in no way related to Michael's last name. Temporal mechanics is about as confusing a subject as you can try to wrap your head around. You alter events just by being there, though. At the point that the temporal anomaly forms in the JJVerse to let the Narada pass through (even before it actually emerges, since the very existence of the anomaly diverted the Kelvin from it's normal routine) his head existed. It doesnt create an impossible situation, it simply fulfills history. The central question seems to be whether the timeline before the Narada incident forked off as well as the timeline after the Narada incident, and it's not really clear which way it would go. 1 2 345. How does that impact the question of "Can you visit alternate realities via time travel?"? Descriptive titles are important because this is a text-only subreddit. There was no NX Project, Warp 5 engines weren't seen until well after the Romulan War, which was fought using lasers and atomic weapons, instead of phase cannons and photonic torpedoes. All threads in the Daystrom Institute must contain an open-ended prompt for discussion. 06/17/1998. [–]JViz 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). When they're done with their adventure, they go back to their timeline, because it still exists, and it's still "forward" from that specific point (even if there are two forwards). If the Primes are still in 1930, this raises further questions: is it possible to time travel from one of the universes back into the shared portion of the timeline and then return down the other branch? To me this is a good argument for why time travel is actually impossible, but not a good justification for how it would work if it were possible. We cannot see time OR coexisting time streams because we don't have the ability to perceive those. Do not post independent threads about the new episode. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (14 children). But, after the time-traveling whales I can see why they moved on to other stories for those movies. In orbit around an unexplored planet, the USS Enterprise is on red alert as it passes through violent time distortions surrounding the planet. Time has to be taken as a whole. Before the great resets, Red Atmos 3 held on its surface many wonders-but none so great as the City on the Edge of Forever. Top News Videos for city on the edge of forever. Jewbilee. It can't be as simple as "from this moment on everything is different, but prior to this moment it is unchanged" when you have events in the past depending on events in the future. While the event in the prime universe happens before the split, they don't exist in this universe TO go back in time. The City on the Edge of Forever: Adapted from the Television Series Created by Gene Roddenberry: Amazon.es: Harlan Ellison: Libros en idiomas extranjeros There's some debate here on that score. No Arctic Borg, or maybe different Arctic Borg entirely. What do you mean there's no you anymore? Reposts are permitted, but the moderators reserve the right to remove topics that come up too frequently. The USS Defiant (Constitution class, NCC-1764) was thrown both back in time, and into the mirror universe. Star Trek The Original Series S01E28 The City On The Edge Of Forever. It therefore must follow that before Kirk and company went back to San Francisco, George and Gracie were already abducted by a klingon bird of prey in the past, they just didn't know it until they went there. I always wanted a TOS crew movie going back to the City on the Edge of Forever portal. There is only one timeline, but it loops back upon itself in convoluted ways. Amazon.com: The City on the Edge of Forever. It wouldn't be the first time that time travel involved a parallel universe. The prompt can be explicit in the form of a question, or implicit in the form of a theory or analysis to be critiqued. [–]Arakkoa_Chief Petty Officer 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). Lots of things in Enterprise happened because of time travel from the Prime universe, to the point where they would have a totally different mission otherwise. (Recall, if you will, that it was The Motion Picture that first saw the bumpy-forehead Klingons in the first place.) 01:49. As such, their work and designs were so fundamentally altered that, instead of changing the timeline, they in fact ended up creating a completely alternate universe. As a side note, I hope you understand that I am trying to participate in your discussion, not derail it. Thus, there are those that argue that the JJ-Trek universe split off from the Prime universe at some other point, well before Narada arrived. My light is then on in iteration 2. McCoy accidentally receives an overdose of cordrazine as the Enterprise encounters turbulence. You can't, but you did; its a paradox. In a special edition of Entertainment Weekly during the fall of 1994, "The City on the Edge of Forever" was ranked number one in a comprehensive listing of all 79 episodes. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (3 children). Skip to main content. The subject of language in the Star Trek universe. Kirk and Spock also return to the 30s, where Kirk falls in love with peace activist Edith Keeler. City on the Edge of Forever, (Ciudad al borde de para siempre en Hispanoamérica, La ciudad al borde de la eternidad en España), es el 20 episodio de South Park correspondiente al séptimo capítulo de la segunda temporada. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. History, as you are thinking of it, is a straight line from the past to the future. 54:35. And "City on the Edge of Forever" gives us the idea that sometimes we must sacrifice what we care about the most for the good of the universe. That's not necessary assumption if you assume that splitting off when the Narada arrived also nullified all the time travel that happened from the Prime Universe. In the abrams timeline, the crew never encounters the series of events to cause them to go through that themselves. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 11958 on r2-app-033b3304ad245143b at 2020-12-18 18:30:36.782791+00:00 running 38155e9 country code: PL. Classic Star Trek: The City on the Edge of Forever - YouTube I hold no sort of animosity towards you for having a different point of view. If not, here are the relevant parts of the story: the Enterprise crew beam down to a planet, find a time-traveling portal, and for various reasons that aren't germane to my point, end up going back in time to Earth, 1930, where Kirk falls in love and McCoy sleeps off the side-effects of a bad hypospray. Say I have a light on my desk. When the Narada travels back in time, Prime Kirk and Prime Spock become (very) different people. In order to see the other spock and kirk from the other branch of the timeline, you would need to be a fifth dimension or higher entity. The sun had set and the city vanished into blocks of iron battered by the stellar wind. In the absence of thumbnails, subscribers rely on clear, concise titles to navigate effectively. No sooner does Captain Kirk acknowledge the report, the helm console on the bridge explodes and Lieutenant Sulu is injured. But any method of ruling Enterprise out of the prime universe also undermines some the entire fourth season (which is a collection of short arcs that show how the Prime Universe turned out the way it did, from smooth Klingon foreheads to the Soongs and Data to who T'Pau of Vulcan was) as well as the Arctic Borg predestination loop. The City on the Edge of Forever" has placed highly in many "best of" lists of Star Trek episodes. So I don't go back in time to change it, and now were back in iteration 1. I decide to go back in time and turn it on so I don't bang my foot on my chair walking into my quarters this evening (You'd think what with all the technology we have, someone would figure out how to keep that from happening, but I digress). The ideas presented in the City on the Edge of Forever have been re-hashed so many times, it can make the episode seem less special to someone who grew up all of those re-hashes. So the effect of the Narada traveling to 2233 is that Kirk and Spock no longer appear in 1930 in the modified timeline. In Enterprise, some of the Borg from the sphere are discovered in the Arctic, where they promptly hijack a ship and take flight. There is no protection from the void on Red Atmos, everything is exposed to the vacuum of space. The existence of the NX-class was due to the Enterprise-E crew's protection of Cochrane's first warp flight from interference by the Borg. A clip from Star Trek: The City on the Edge of Forever, of Kirk and Spock talking with the Guardian of Forever. They would be in 1930. The Daystrom Institute has built up a wealth of material in its years-long history, which you can read in our Previous Discussions pages. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children). This includes, but is not limited to: "Assignment: Earth", Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Star Trek: First Contact, "Time's Arrow", "Past Tense", and the Temporal Cold War in Enterprise. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Who knows? That's seems even more complicated, it seems like an almost (dare I say it) Metaphysical question. Full Ep. but that history must play by rules history should not have to. It would rule out predestination loops because every link in the chain that involves going back in time would effectively land in a different universe. the other kirk and spock wouldnt be there. Posts which fall outside the Posting Guidelines which have not been approved by the Senior Staff—including meta threads—will be removed. Full Ep. But then stagnation, blah blah blah, cue Into Darkness. The Klingons that NuKirk and party encounters may have been part of that population. Kirk and Spock Prime traveled from the Prime universe into the shared history of the Prime and Alternate universes and returned back to Prime. Users here are awarded special flairs for their contributions to the community. Full Ep. Now, this is confused by the fact that physical matter from a future which can't exist ceases to exist when it passes the point where it's existence is no longer possible. The idea that the Narada crashed into a totally different universe next door...is possible, but then you miss out on all the fun of puzzling out this paradox. On the left fork someone builds a pollution machine that pours red dye into the river. I always liked the theory that Enterprise was in a different timeline from the other shows anyway, but maybe that's just because it makes my second-least-favorite series effectively disappear from canon. No insults, personal attacks, or general rudeness in the Daystrom Institute. Sunken City on the Edge of Forever. Skip to main content.us. No, not as a sentient agency but rather what belongs in its timeline is in its timeline, and what doesnt goes away. Kyle invites Kenny to join him and Ike at Jewbilee, a camp for Jewish kids. What was Worf’s plan in the episode Change of Heart? That music you heard, was it this? Discovery Season 3 features a callback to the classic Trek episode "The City on the Edge ... Star Trek Discovery: Carl's True Identity & TOS Connection Explained ... star trek original series city on the edge of forever: 12 3 4 5. This subreddit contains spoilers for all of Star Trek, including the latest episodes of Discovery. With William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Joan Collins, DeForest Kelley. The Enterprise destroys the Borg, but not before they send a subspace message that will reach Borg space in the 24th century, just in time for them to start sending cubes to Sector 001. “The City on the Edge of Forever” Written by Harlan Ellison Directed by Joseph Pevney Season 1, Episode 28 Production episode 6149-28 Original air date: April 6, 1967 Stardate: unknown … use the following search parameters to narrow your results: The Daystrom Research Institute is a subreddit dedicated to in-depth discussion of Star Trek. This is interesting though because what if, as the temporal friction "erases" that version, we now get an alternate version of 1930 which plays out and results in events that prevent the Narada from going back, that would be a true paradox. So it doesn't matter that in the JJVerse no one goes back to the past, someone from some timeline did. If it wasn't for the Borg ending up in the 22nd century Arctic, the Borg...wouldn't have ended up in the 22nd century Arctic. Fue estrenado el 10 de junio de 1998. It would also explain why agencies like the Temporal Integrity Commission or the DTI didn't interfere to undo the damage to the time line, as we've seen on screen numerous times, particularly in Voyager. Posted by 12 days ago. No Crewman Daniels, or maybe a different Crewman Daniels entirely. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (23 children). Is there any reason why those who attended Starfleet academy are cadets and not midshipmen? Enterprise is a lot less satisfying if you don't actually believe it as a prequel to the Prime Universe. To nominate a post or comment for Post of the Week, reply to the post or comment and write "M-5, nominate this for X.". [–]ademnusCommander 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (26 children). The alternate universe is potentially littered with debris from Prime Universe time travel--Ben Sisko is still Gabriel Bell, Data and Guinan are still in 19th century San Francisco, Prime Borg are still frozen in the 22nd century Arctic, and Gary Seven and his hilariously overpowered cat are still in the 60's. Top News Videos for city on the edge of forever. Summer Sucks. When I looked to the horizon I saw a massive rock overhang, and what glimmers lay beyond it haunt me to this day. Insofar as Arik Soong and the Borg go, it's very possible that those events will turn out similarly in both universes - just because they are separate doesn't mean that everything will turn out differently. 98% Upvoted. That same year, she died in a traffic accident. If Kirk or others never went there, the history would play out per the "original" version. Bots and novelty accounts will be banned on sight. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children), [–]ademnusCommander 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children). Known for her compassion and forward thinking, she sought to bring peace to the entire planet. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading The City on the Edge of Forever: The Original Teleplay. [–]philwelchCommander[S] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (15 children). A paradox requires an impossible situation to result from the travel, such as killing yourself before you can go back in time and kill yourself. The same question applies for any episode or film where characters from the Prime universe time travel to eras before 2233. Then the Guardian probably "corrects" the copied past so that Alternate McCoy can do what he did in the original), [–]gsabramCrewman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child). The way I see it, the same phenomenon that allows kirk and spock to have already been in the past with Edith before they ever went there is the same one that accepts they aren't there if they never end up going to the Guardian. While I'm certain that both were told, in no uncertain terms, that their knowledge of future events needed to be kept a secret, lest they change the timeline, the pair still couldn't help but be influenced by what they saw from the Enterprise crew. They would not be in 1930. I've been veering towards this theory. So there's no "me" native to that timeline, just a foreign "me", who is a dick for killing my own grandfather. Star Trek TOS music ~ S01E28 The City on the Edge of Forever ~ original film music extracted from the TV series. We all know three dimensions, which we all see. Yes. But I urge you, Traveler, should you ever come across the city, heed my tale. South Park. Maybe this is a tiny shred of the future potential the Q see in humanity, they'll be some of the first (after the Q themselves) to unlock that potential and transcend the limitations of space-time. If I go back in time and kill my grandfather before my father is conceived, in that new universe I will never be born. But my actual grandfather is the one back in my universe who begat my father, not the guy I just killed. City on the Edge of Forever. Put effort into your submissions, and do not submit comments intended to end a discussion. S2 • E8. CBS LA - KCAL via Yahoo News It is lost to me, I fear. The Full-Cast Audio of the Original Star Trek® Teleplay and Controversy: Harlan Ellison’s The City on The Edge of Forever. Here's another, related possibility: maybe the reason Khan is different in STID is because, just like BroKirk is a totally different person from Kirk, BritKhan is a totally different person from Khan. Life avoided this place. "Star Trek: The Original Series" The City on the Edge of Forever (TV Episode 1967) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. We may never agree on a point of view of how time travel would work if it were real, but that doesnt mean we cannot enjoy the discussion. Media. All Hello, Sign in. So in the alternate universe, I'm just some dick, and the man who would have been my grandfather is just some random guy whom I killed. "Fixing the timeline" type stuff has always sucked to me because it's the ultimate form of deus ex machina. In the JJverse timeline. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8385Cy-o4yE, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the NoMansSkyTheGame community. Then Nero causes it to loop back upon itself, and the JJVerse is spawned. I like it since it patches up the Abramsverse without having to necessarily call it a parallel universe, and it fits neatly within canon. When the Borg Cube was defeated at Sector 001, it ejected a Borg Sphere that time-traveled to the time of Zephram Cochrane. As the ship plots its orbit, Montgomery Scott warns that the control circuits are threatening to overload. 2. True you miss out on this paradox but the universe typically doesn't like paradoxes and this might neatly solve it, at least insomuch as the TOS, TNG, VOY and DS9 ones go. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy Prime went back to the 1930s in the JJVerse, because at the time the JJVerse and the Prime-verse were the same universe. Consider Data's head from Time's Arrow. And the point in time where this timeline diverges from our own is when the Narada rampages into the past and blows up the USS Kelvin. (Unless, say, the third movie is a reboot of that particular episode and the Alternate crew ends up at the Guardian of Forever. Written by now-veteran sci fi author Harlan Ellison (with help from Roddenberry and his writing team), and directed by one of the original series' most consistently excellent directors - Joseph Pevney - COEF begins with the Enterprise being bombarded by meteors and Sulu knocked unconscious. [–]feor1300Lieutenant Commander 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children). S3 • E9. Log in or sign up to leave a comment log in sign up. When built, the timeline of the Guardian's builders was left inaccessible through the portal. When you allow effects to precede cause (as time travel into the past must), there can be effects (and thus divergence) before the actual point of modification. By then, Keeler's past plays out as it was originally meant to be - with no intervention from McCoy or Kirk, she dies as scheduled. What are the implications of the fact that the non-Starfleet Federation citizens are not bound by the Prime Directive? Grad na rubu vječnosti) je 28. epizoda američke SF-serije Zvjezdane staze premijerno prikazana 6. aprila 1967. godine. But there was a time traveler who was practically you, who came to your universe and killed your grandfather. Account & Lists Account Returns & Orders. No, not as a sentient agency but rather what belongs in its timeline is in its timeline, and what doesnt goes away. These ranks are not meant for role-playing. You start by becoming a Crewman and selecting your division by clicking the 'edit flair' link in the sidebar. Or perhaps they never went to the Guardian in the first place, and therefore McCoy never goes back and tampers with history, so you just find Edith alone but history intact. Local Author Treats Supporters To Live Book Reading On The Sunset Strip. This also explains why things did appear different before the Narada ever came back (the Kelvin looks pretty advanced for a ship of her time...), [–]DarthOtterEnsign 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). [–]Schmitty84Crewman 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). It's not a paradox if every instance of backwards time travel spawns a new universe, you just end up with emotionally unsatisfying consequences. [–]Kant_LavarChief Petty Officer 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). But the borg incident you describe is not a paradox and neither is kirk using the Guardian of forever; its simply causality. Sunken City on the Edge of Forever. Please use the search function or the Previous Discussions archive to see if a topic you want to discuss has been posted recently. South Park. Every week Daystrom members nominate and vote on quality contributions. 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